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Brodner's Person of the Day: Hillary and the Fork

February 13, 2008

In the wake of Obama's 10-in-row sweep, cutting, for the first time across all demographic lines, came this from Newsweek's Howard Fineman, spoken in the wee small hours last night on MSNBC:
"It is highly unlikely that Hillary Clinton is going to finish the primary season with a lead in pledged delegates. It is virtually impossible. The goal for her is to somehow lessen the difference in the number of delegates to like 30-200. If it's a small number, this may be a pipe dream, they will argue that they can use the super delegates to make up the difference. But the bigger that number is, the more difficult that is to do... and risks a storm inside the Democratic party." It's time for Hillary to get out the knives for Bam. More likely, the voters will get out the fork.

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Her money ran out... she had to give up those states. Hillary Clinton had a "Super Tuesday campaign plan". Winning the contest wasn't expected to go beyond that date.
Posted by:Ken in BarbadosFebruary 14, 2008 5:33:33 AMRespond ^
Given the close proximity of Clinton and Obama, each of them will have to rely on superdelegates. It is unclear why your reporting assumes that there is going to be a schism in the Democratic party if the Superdelegates go with Clinton, and not with Obama, even if the procedure would be the same.
Posted by:ZeeFebruary 14, 2008 6:39:19 AMRespond ^
Zee, it's pretty simple. Even if on one reaches the "magic number", it would smell quite foul if the Superdelegates overturned what a majority of the Dem voters had decided. It undercuts the "democratic" part of the democratic party and is a case of subverting the will of the people. This, of course, looks like it would favor Obama because he now has a majority of the popular vote (even incl. the uncontested Michigan and Florida), and a majority of the delegates. Clinton's camp is making some noise that if the margin is close, they can use superdelegates to reverse the popular vote decision on the basis that it wasn't conclusive. If Obama is even up 1 vote, the Superdelegates should not overturn that verdict. I would say the same if it was Hillary.
Posted by:Ian TepootFebruary 15, 2008 12:06:41 PMRespond ^
Oops, Correction: "Even if NO ONE reaches the 'magic number' "...
Posted by:Ian TepootFebruary 15, 2008 12:07:37 PMRespond ^
Ian's right. With the Superdelegate system the primary exercise is only semi-democratic. Is that like being a little bit pregnant? We're really not taking care of the whole process when we vote. So these Superdelegates must take it all the way. And if they go against the popular will, what purpose would the primaries be seen as having served? They will either be attentive to the voting this year or tear the party apart and probably hand the whole thing over to McCain.
Posted by:Steve BrodnerFebruary 18, 2008 3:47:52 AMRespond ^
I was wondering if Hillery has enough super deligates to pull it off?????
Posted by:Paul MartocchioFebruary 19, 2008 6:03:53 AMRespond ^
Let's suppose everyone's vote counts and all states are counted - like they're supposed to be in a Democracy (I think that means you can't eliminate a million votes like the Repubs did) Clinton - with Fla and Mich - has ALWAYS had the lead - These people will still vote. I am consistently surprised the war waged on Clinton by media - We (the people) don't buy the spin and opinion-made-to-look-like-news - Clinton will be President in 08 - because the PEOPLE - not the press - will elect her. We need right-brained change - the ONLY way to real change - Enough sexism - especially by the press. Collea-Devi
Posted by:Collea-DeviFebruary 19, 2008 9:34:29 AMRespond ^
Let's start from the beginning: Obama was an unknown, too young, too "not enough black", too inexperienced, not tested, no chance to raise enough money, no substance etc etc Hillary was inevitable, strong, experienced, able to raise $100 millions, campaigns staff are the most experienced, had deep democratic connections, sew up most of the super delegates including those black politicians who say that Obama is not "black enough", is going to wrap up the nomination by Super Tuesday. Now the present, after all the races thus far: Obama is ahead in delegates count without the superdelegate advantage count, had a commanding lead in black voters, campaign organisation is flawless, brought in millions of first time voters, gave hope and direction on where the country direction should be, ahead in donor contributions to his campaigns, owe nothing to special interest because his campaign is funded by ordinary people, always cool under withering attacks, even take his wife out during Valentine day, policy papers avaialble on his website and does not change his message whether hee is up or down. Hillary campaign is bankrupt and she had to loan $5 million to it, beaten in delegate counts and in last 8 contests straight, whinning about Obama's borrowing words from his friend who says it is ok, sack her cmapaign manager, retool her image from serious to pitiful to angry, get Bill go go out to talk about race and LBJ is more important than MLK in delievering civil rites, and now retool herslef as a solution wonk. Given the perfomance of these two, who would you choose? Who had proven that he or she can lead and bring people together to solve our problem? You decide.
Posted by:GeorgeFebruary 19, 2008 2:03:48 PMRespond ^
BismillaharRahmanirRahim This depiction of Hilary is pretty awful. -Saifuddin wasalaam.wordpress.com
Posted by:SaifuddinFebruary 20, 2008 1:21:24 PMRespond ^
Hillary had no post Super-Tuesday plan because she believed her own hype --- that she was "inevitable". I thank Sen. Clinton for her service to the country and to the people of New York, but shouldn't a candidate for President (particularly one who touts her "experience" right and left) have a plan B for just about every situation? Elise in NH The Obama Minute: quick, easy actions to support Barack Obama's candidacy http://www.obamastraws.blogspot.com
Posted by:Elise in NHFebruary 21, 2008 3:56:49 AMRespond ^
It sure seems difficult to finance an ongoing campaign when going up against a candidate like Obama with so many individual people contributing financially to his campaign. I think that's what makes this guy just super, he's been able to connect with people at such a level that, even in today's economy, people are still willing to open their wallets to help make him president!
Posted by:TFebruary 21, 2008 12:09:50 PMRespond ^

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