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The Audacity of Hype?

NEWS: Is Barack Obama exaggerating when he compares his campaign to the great progressive moments in US history? We asked Pat Buchanan, Naomi Klein, and 18 other thinkers that question; read their responses below. Later this fall, join Washington Bureau Chief David Corn for an online forum on the same topic.

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Below is the Barack Obama quote our question refers to (from a February 12 speech). The participants' answers follow.

Nothing worthwhile in this country has ever happened unless somebody, somewhere is willing to hope. Somebody is willing to stand up. Somebody who is willing to stand up when they are told "No you can't" and instead they say, "Yes we can."

That's how this country was founded. A group of patriots declaring independence against a mighty British empire—nobody gave them a chance—but they said, "Yes we can." That's how slaves and abolitionists resisted that wicked system, and how a new president charted a course to ensure we would not remain half slave and half free.

That's how the greatest generation—my grandfather fighting in Patton's Army, my grandmother staying at home with a baby and still working on a Bomber assembly line—how that greatest generation overcame Hitler and fascism, and also lifted themselves up out of a Great Depression.

That's how pioneers went West when people told them it was dangerous, they said, "Yes we can." That's how immigrants traveled from distant shores when people said their fates would be uncertain, "Yes we can." That's how women won the right to vote, how workers won the right to organize, how young people like you traveled down South to march and sit in and go to jail, and some were beaten and some died for freedom's cause. That's what hope is. That's what hope is.

That's what hope is. That moment when we shed our fears and our doubts. When we don't settle for what the cynics tell us we have to accept. Because cynicism is a sorry sort of wisdom. When we instead join arm in arm and decide we are going to remake this country, block by block, precinct by precinct, county by county, state by state. That's what hope is.

There's a moment in the life of every generation, when that spirit has to come through if we are to make our mark on history. And this is our moment. This is our time.

Jabari Asim
Editor of The Crisis magazine
Talcott Garland, the introspective narrator of Stephen Carter's novel The Emperor of Ocean Park, describes another character as "a type common to the darker nation: smart, ambitious, well educated, utterly dedicated to the romanticism of the long-shattered civil rights movement, living on the fringes of what remains." It's a harsh assessment, to be sure, but eloquently points to a sort of misbegotten nostalgia that occasionally threatens to overwhelm the movement's valuable lessons, a sensibility apparently found most often among elders of the African American community—those actually old enough to remember those bloody, world-changing battles or to still bear scars from being a frontline participant.

Those of us in Obama's generation are left to tiptoe gently among these veterans, paying tribute to them without appearing to ride lazily on their coattails, offering sober assessments of the movement's triumphs and shortcomings without seeming ungrateful or disrespectful. Obama continues to walk that fine line with the skill and diplomacy that has defined his political career thus far and, in reasonably describing his campaign as a logical extension of the civil rights movement, continues to maintain admirable balance. It's hard to imagine a perspective that doesn't regard his pursuit of the presidency as the fruitful harvest of seeds sown in those marches, sit-ins, legal challenges, and strategic campaigns of not so long ago.

Jennifer Baumgardner
Author, Look Both Ways: Bisexual Politics
Barack Obama is saying "Yes we can...support a biracial (Ivy-educated, male, lawyer) candidate for the highest office in the nation," which shouldn't be confused with "Yes we can…wage a social justice revolution in which everybody has health care, the death penalty is considered an abomination, and we won't bomb Pakistan."

Symbolically, I find it inspiring to have someone raised by a teen single mom in a blended family, who isn't white, who admits to drug use on his journey to becoming the responsible father he is now as my potential president. But Obama's campaign is quite clearly not a social justice movement. What is he abolishing? Who is he freeing? What goal of citizenship is on the line with him as its champion? What is he risking by taking a stand? What "stand" is he taking?

Any viable candidate for President—and whether he wins or not, Barack Obama is clearly viable—isn't waging a revolution for peace, truth, and justice when he runs. He is relentlessly calibrating complicated positions about even more complex issues and balancing as carefully as possible on messages of change that aren't, in fact, too changey. I don't find this realpolitik disturbing, but I find the message of "hope" he conveys empty and even besides the point, especially as he proves in the general election to have exactly Hillary Clinton's positions. Fortunately, having Clinton's positions isn't a bad thing for the country. It may not be a movement, but Obama's campaign is at the very least movement—toward a commitment to the middle class, better health care options, and an incredibly reasonable and thoughtful man in the White House.

Pat Buchanan
Columnist
It is absurd to argue that the nomination or an election of Barack Obama would be as important a historical event as the liberation of 3 million slaves after the bloodiest war in American history, that took 600,000 lives and set the South back a century. As for the civil rights movement, that completed the emancipation of people of color, and has dramatically affected American politics for a half-century. Barack Obama's election would be about as significant to US history as Jackie Robinson's appearance at second base was for the Brooklyn Dodgers. Yet that, according to liberals, was the most important event in the history of baseball. This whole exercise testifies to what Lenin called "an infantile disorder" of the American left. Give it a rest.

Eleanor Clift
Author, Founding Sisters and the 19th Amendment
Better left to others to make the comparison, but I think it's valid. We have to ask ourselves how reform is made. It takes acts of courage by countless unsung people to collectively create the conditions for a leader to take hold. Cultural change of this magnitude doesn't occur until millions of people come to a consensus that it is needed, and it's not about race or ethnicity. The excesses of the last eight years have brought us to the point where the voters have had enough.

Howard Dean tapped into the same wellspring of fury in 2004, but wasn't able to translate Internet money into political activity. Using the power of Barack Obama's persona and personal history, his campaign created a community of people with the energy and the power to affect elections. Obama has taken back the electoral process from the big-money interests and returned it to the people. He doesn't treat his donors like an ATM; he makes them feel they are part of something bigger than themselves. With the power of the people a computer click away, Obama is on track if he wins the presidency to restore the balance between the demands of the special interests and the needs of the people. By my lights, that's the definition of a movement in the great progressive tradition.

Ta-Nehisi Coates
Author, The Beautiful Struggle: A Father, Two Sons, and an Unlikely Road to Manhood
Well, I think he's exaggerating, in the sense that it's hard to understand a great, substantive moment in history while it's still happening. We knew 9/11 was a historic moment, if only because nothing like that had ever happened. But we didn't know—and maybe still don't completely know—what that actually meant. So in the sense that all people who compare the ongoing, shifting, malleable present with the past, he is indeed exaggerating. Let me just state the obvious—electing a black president will be historic, and I guess quasi-progressive. But the substance of what his presidency will be for America just isn't known yet.

Folding on FISA certainly doesn't put you in a great progressive tradition. But pushing efforts to ameliorate the wealth gap might. It's really up to Obama to determine whether or not he's exaggerating. He is a politician, and thus prone to political rhetoric. I say that as one of his supporters, and charges of Kool-Aid imbibing aside, I think most of us know that too. If Obama goes forth and really reorients the country away from anti-intellectualism, fake patriotism, and craven powermongering toward a path of honest debate, muscular patriotism, and simple common sense, then he will be right in claiming the best of the progressive tradition. If not then it'll just be rhetoric. It's really up to him.

Robert Dallek
Author, Nixon and Kissinger: Partners in Power
I find the question impossible to answer. How can we possibly know at this point what Obama's campaign means? Is it the equivalent of some of the great progressive events of the past you cite? To answer would be to get way ahead of ourselves. First he has to win, and then we will see what he accomplishes. I certainly hope he is successful, but I don't want to predict what his achievements will be.

Debra Dickerson
Author, The End of Blackness
Kudos to Obama for reaching transcendence, but no way is the undeniable excitement he's generated anything remotely resembling America's past great progressive movements. To point out the obvious, the very examples he's invoking had specific purposes—winning World War II, ending slavery then Jim Crow, enfranchising women. Beyond dethroning Bush II, worthy though it is, what's his goal? Even were he to peg his entire candidacy on ending the Iraq War, that wouldn't transform America the way past convulsive movements did. At best, electing Obama might be seen as the final death throes of a racism that still dares to speak its name, but it might just be best if he stopped playing to his fellow citizens' lazy vanity—look, Ma! I'm changing America without sacrificing anything in the least!—and kept what he represents in perspective. His nearness to the presidency is an amazing, wondrous thing, but America won't be much different afterward, blasphemous as that sounds.

Harold Evans
Author, The American Century
The great progressive movements in American history, not excluding the populists, all had specific programs to deal with definable evils and restrictions, all to make America more of a functioning democracy, truer to the ideals in the Declaration of Independence rather than the rule of the elites envisaged by the founding fathers. One thinks of the clear programs set out by William Jennings Bryan—and hooted down—for federal income tax, direct election of senators, regulation of the railroads, and importantly, release from the deflations inevitable when the currency was based on gold. Obama has rhetoric to match Bryan's, but while the statements are gratifying, even glorious, they are not all well-enough defined yet to constitute anything comparable to the great progressive movements that gave us our present.

John Judis
Journalist
I think Obama has run a brilliant campaign, but not necessarily a "great progressive" one. Purely in policy terms, he is running a center-left campaign similar, say, to Jimmy Carter in 1976 and far less bold than, say, Bill Clinton in 1992. All the stuff about reforming Washington is very much in the line of Carter-John Anderson-Ross Perot. His main economic plans were slightly to the right of John Edwards and Hillary Clinton, and his foreign policy (except for his biographical claim to have been against the war in 2002) was indistinguishable from those of other Democrats. His is certainly not a path-breaking campaign like that of Theodore Roosevelt in 1912 or Franklin Roosevelt in 1936.

But that's not to say his campaign isn't significant or important. First of all, he is the first major-party African American candidate. That's no small thing in a country long divided by race, but his running will not have the same kind of impact as the civil rights movement of the '50s, which successfully attacked the structure of racial discrimination. Second, he has accelerated trends toward a Democratic realignment that began earlier. He has been particularly successful in bringing young people and professionals into the fold, and in advancing the cyber technology of political campaigns, including the use of the Internet for fundraising, which began, I think, under Perot in 1996, and was then used to advantage by Howard Dean in 2004. So it is a very significant campaign. I just wouldn't go overboard about its being a "great progressive" one.

Michael Kazin
Author, A Godly Hero: The Life of William Jennings Bryan
To state the obvious: A presidential campaign is not a social movement; its objective is to elect an individual, not to win rights or power or cultural influence for a large group of people who have a set of deep-seated grievances. But Obama's campaign and the success he's achieved, so far, does depend on the size, ardor, and creativity of the progressive movement that has been growing since the 2000 election.

That connection between movement and candidate is essential to achieving any meaningful degree of social and political change. But one shouldn't fall for the illusion that the politician (or any single leader) can substitute for the movement. Neither can accomplish great things alone. But the alliance is nearly always a contentious one—witness the relationship between FDR and organized labor or LBJ and the black freedom movement. Obama's current attempt to shed his image as a gun-controlling opponent of capital punishment is just the latest demonstration that even the most admirable politicians are captives of the majorities they need to win. They move when movements move them.

Michael Kinsley
Columnist
Of course he's exaggerating. That is not a crime. In fact, it's almost required in a presidential candidate. If you don't have some grandiose historical moment in your pocket, you get nailed as Ted Kennedy famously did for lacking "vision." But all of Obama's examples in the passage you quote involve one overwhelming and crystalline issue. There is no such one issue at stake in this election, or if there is, Obama has not articulated it. Abolition, women's suffrage, and civil rights were all movements that started outside of conventional politics and had built up considerable momentum before being taken up by a president or presidential candidate.

There is a good case to be made that various issues are actually related and together they do make this a watershed election. The common thread is digesting the huge events of the last part of the 20th century, which have turned out to be mixed blessings—or possibly, to Mother Jones readers, neither mixed nor blessings. The end of the Cold War was supposed to have left us a "unipolar" world where the United States faced no threats to its power, and the spread of democracy and capitalism would be inevitable. Instead, we are struggling to figure out our role in a world where we matter less and less. The bill is coming due for a generation of staggering fiscal irresponsibility——mostly attributable to Republican public officials, but the American people have been their enablers. The second industrial revolution, which has brought us computers and miracle drugs, has also apparently ended the era when "a rising tide lifts all boats." That delinking of prosperity and equality will make us a different kind of country, and we have no idea what, if anything, to do about that. And meanwhile yet another bill is finally coming due for the first industrial revolution, in the form of global warming, the energy shortage, and so on, —even as that revolution spreads to new parts of the world.

As a "world man," who has excited and inspired people all over the globe without actually doing anything yet, Obama has the potential to weave these issues together and prepare people for the "change" they think they want—much of which they won't like when they see it close-up. The test of a leader is whether he or she can lead people somewhere they don't want to go. Whether Obama can do that, or even wants to, remains unclear. In short, whether this is an important historical moment or just another election is up to Barack Obama.

Naomi Klein
Author, The Shock Doctrine
What all transformative movements have in common is the quality of speaking up to an aspirational public, to our best possible selves. Transformative movements act like the world is better than it is, and—when they work—they inspire the world to live up to this partial projection. The Obama campaign, has, in moments, embodied precisely that quality: Obama conjures a better America and that better America shows up for him. But political moments do more than speak to our best selves; they harness that quasi-mystical power to make radical demands to transform the real world. The Obama campaign has not done this, not on any issue at the core of our current crisis. Not on global warming, the war in Iraq, the housing crisis, health care, underemployment, or the assaults on civil liberties. Not a single Obama policy is unequivocal in its clarity and morality, which is the essential quality of a transformative movement.

The campaign's most radical demand, even if unstated, is the idea of electing Obama himself. It is Obama—and not his plans for the presidency—that is the ultimate expression of the "movement." If the process ends there, the Obama campaign becomes less like the civil rights movement and more like the lifestyle brands in the late '90s—the Nikes, Microsofts, and Starbucks that expertly captured the transcendent quality of past liberation movements, and our desire for meaning in our lives, to build their brands.

Of course the real fault is not Obama's, but ours. We have forgotten the kind of risk and work it takes to build transformative mass movements, and so settle for iconography instead. That said, he'd better win.

Michael Lind
Fellow, New American Foundation
This is indeed a historic moment in American political history. The conservative era that began with Nixon has ended with George W. Bush, and the new era in public policy, as distinct from electoral politics, has already begun. The next reform era is more likely to emphasize common concerns, public efforts, and the national good, like the progressive era and the New Deal era, than individual emancipation, like the abolition, suffrage, and civil rights movements, whose gains are now secure. While his campaign did not create the next-era wave, Sen. Obama has proven his skills in besting his rival surfers on the Democratic team. Whether or not Obama rides the wave to victory in November, the tsunami will proceed, and the reactionary right will be no more able to reverse its course than King Canute was able to command the tide to retreat.

Glenn Loury
Professor of economics, Brown University
Is Barack Hussein Obama a transformative American leader on questions of race? Not when compared to Lyndon Baines Johnson.

A shocking degree of historical amnesia/ignorance has been revealed in the gushing press commentary on Obama's "race" speech. It seems to me that people are confusing something that is akin to a cult of personality with an actual political movement that is informed by a comprehensive ideological vision and that is capable of making lasting institutional reforms. Obama's address given in Philadelphia last March—in the aftermath of the initial firestorm created by the public exposure of some of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's more controversial remarks—has been called the greatest public oration on the question of race since Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream" speech, given at the 1963 march on Washington. This claim is, I think, demonstrably false.

I offer as counterexample to this claim LBJ's speech given as a commencement address at Howard University in 1965. These two instances of public rhetoric were motivated by very different forces: Obama's was given under duress, in the midst of a primary campaign, in an effort to control the damage to his electoral prospects from his association with Rev. Wright. LBJ, by contrast, was speaking as a sitting president, articulating a guiding vision that would inform those aspects of his legislative agenda, the war on poverty, that dealt with racial themes. But this is precisely my point. Unlike Obama, LBJ staked out a political position that has had consequences: That the people of the United States were obligated to undertake a massive expansion of social investment for the disadvantaged in American society, and that this obligation rested at least in part on the historical necessity that we act so as to reduce racial inequality in our country. Obama sometimes gives the impression that the less said about our mutual obligation as Americans to act so as to reduce inequality of social outcomes between the races in the country, in the jails as well as the schools, the better. And yet, it was LBJ's rhetoric, coupled with a focused legislative agenda and the political acumen/muscle to get it enacted, that really constitutes the stuff of historical transformation. And the success of Johnson's efforts, while limited, to be sure, nevertheless represents the kind of thing that can be accomplished when the apparatus of a political party is harnessed with an ideological vision that has teeth, and that is willing to take a stand on the great questions about the role of government and about the moral imperatives of our imperfect history. What LBJ had to say in that late-spring afternoon, 43 years ago—about race, history, policy, and social obligation—has echoed down through the decades. It was a piece of his war on poverty, with the establishment of federal aid to education and federally financed health care for the poor and the elderly, and with those legislative capstones of the civil rights revolution that LBJ, but not JFK, was able to get enacted.

Of course, nobody can expect Obama to argue for a return of the Great Society. Still, his speech—and more broadly his views about race and American social obligation, whatever their merits—are not in the same league with LBJ's, not even close.

Will Obama's effective renegotiation of America's implicit racial contract redound to the long-term benefit of African American people? Not necessarily, especially to the extent that it lets the American mainstream off the hook in terms of their responsibilities to narrow the racial gap.

Barack Obama, in this campaign, is engaged in a de facto renegotiation of the implicit American racial contract. What, one may ask, might that implicit racial contract be? Well, in a word, it is the broad recognition and acceptance by governing elites in this country—in the press, in the courts and legal establishment, in the academy and in the broader political culture—that structural impediments exist to the equal participation of blacks in American life, and that government-sponsored initiatives—whether race-specific or universal in character—are an appropriate vehicle for redress in this situation. It is the recognition that, despite the huge social transformation occurring in this society under the pressures of immigration, globalization, and rising economic insecurity—which are, as Obama points out, changes affecting all of us, regardless of race or ethnicity—despite this new reality, we nevertheless have unfinished business here on the race front. It is the willingness to constantly interrogate our institutions as to whether their actual practice is consistent with our professed ideals concerning equality and social justice. It is an acknowledgement that, imperatives of personal and communal responsibility notwithstanding, the American nation-state nevertheless bears a collective, political responsibility for the social disasters and the human suffering that are unfolding even as we speak, and that can be so readily observed in the centers of our cities. This responsibility extends to immigrants who have joined our society in recent decades no less so than to those with American ancestry extending back many generations. Just as present generations—immigrants and natives alike—are obligated to service a national debt incurred by their predecessors, so too are those who prosper within our social order obligated to contribute to the fair resolution of social problems deeply rooted in the nation's historical experience. This unfinished racial business, I would argue, is a part of what you inherit when you become an American.

While there has never been unanimity on these matters, there nevertheless has been a consensus view—a view, I might add, that was recently reaffirmed by a relatively conservative US Supreme Court in the University of Michigan affirmative action cases. This consensus has been under attack for a generation, and now it is, in effect, being renegotiated by Barack Obama in this political campaign. Look for him to throw affirmative action under the bus by advocating that we transition to a scheme based on class and not race come September. Some may object that Obama's campaign rhetoric and speeches clearly reveal his appreciation of the structural bases for racial inequality. They will say that his view is nuanced, pragmatic, and historically well informed. This all may be true, but the question that matters is not whether Barack Obama knows anything about history or sociology. The critical question is, What are the American people prepared to do next, if anything, about these matters? And how will Obama's purportedly transformative vision of American politics promote progress?

The answers to these questions are far from clear. What we are witnessing in this campaign is, in effect, that Obama's very person has been taken by many Americans to be a site for public expiation of collective racial sin! I fully understand why many Americans would leap at the chance for such cheap grace. Still, I fail to see why serious advocates of the interests of black people must fall into the same swoon. Here's my bottom line: Obama's authenticity as a representative of the black experience before the American public, even at this late date, is not self-evident—far from it. Saying this does not make me some kind of racemongering black radical. This is not even a criticism of him. It is merely a statement of fact. Nor is it an imputation to him of any invidious motives. Sure, he is ambitious. And yes, he is a politician, doing what politicians must do to get themselves elected. But this issue—concerning what consequences will ensue from the heated discourses of this campaign, for the American civic obligation to pursue greater racial equality in the decades and generations to come—this is a vitally important matter for reflection and discussion.

These concerns are not merely the whining of an older generation that is unwilling to accept that things have changed. If "change" in our racial sensibilities means accommodating the weariness of many Americans with our long, historic, and still unfinished pursuit of racial justice, then I have no trouble standing athwart such progress. Nor am I here blaming Obama for the fact that formulations and arguments that may be forced upon him, by the political logic of his quest for the presidency, can nevertheless have deleterious consequences for black people in this country. Neither do I hold that he, or any other single person, speaks for all of black America. Nevertheless, none of this obviates the fact that pronouncements by prominent persons who are received, de facto, as representatives of a group can enter into the public vernacular, become part of our unexamined political vocabulary, shape how people understand and respond to the social reality within which we are embedded, and in this manner reverberate so as deleteriously to affect other group members.

Clarence Page
Columnist
So far Obama has not spelled out a progressive platform that compares to the earth-moving ideologies of great progressive movement. Lately he's been backpedaling away from the left and back toward the wobbly middle to expand his support among independent swing voters. Nevertheless, as an African American old enough to have drunk from "colored" water fountains in the South, I am convinced that the election of a progressively minded black—or, if you prefer, biracial—president will mark the capstone of what the civil rights movement was all about. Whether Obama wins or not, he already has changed our national mindset about racial possibilities, revitalized the image and energy of liberal politics, and improved our nation's image around the world. That's not small potatoes.

Chris Rabb
Blogger, Afro-Netizen
Obama's candidacy is not a movement, no matter how historic and unique it may be. It is a fascinating and noteworthy social phenomenon, which is not the same as a movement.

Movements do not revolve around individuals nor elections. Obama is conflating his once-insurgent campaign's hope to clinch the Democratic nomination and the presidency with the type of movement building it will take to forge meaningful social change in society at large.

From Wall Street to Silicon Valley, from the Beltway to Hollywood, from the military industrial complex to the political industrial complex, structural change will not likely occur.

The tone, tenor, and nuance of discussions around important, but somewhat controversial, topics may change. Rhetoric around such topics may change—even improve. But there is little hope of impacting the foundation of structural inequality. The cynicism of this critique is not necessarily based on my judgment of Obama's candidacy or his agenda; rather, it is based on the reality that social movements are not predicated on election cycles or politicians, but on broad swaths of a given generation to radically alter some aspect of society as we know it.

Nothing radical will come from either major party in the modern electoral landscape irrespective of the unconventionality of a given candidate.

Rick Shenkman
Editor of History News Network and author, Just How Stupid Are We?
In time-honored fashion, I'll answer this question with a question. My question is: What was the lesson of the civil rights movement? Was it that you can appeal to the conscience of America? That you have to mobilize activists by high-minded appeals to a cause? That you have to fight like hell for your rights because people in power do not make concessions just because you ask for them politely? That a leader can inspire people to action? Or that it helps immensely to have an archenemy, like Bull Connor?

My answer is: All of the above. Barack Obama comes across like a civil rights movement leader. His rhetoric inspires people the way Dr. King did. But he seems to be selective in his reading of the movement's lessons. He seems to believe that appeals to reason are ALL that is necessary. The civil rights movement demonstrated that change also requires a good old-fashioned enemy who can be easily ridiculed, hardball tactics, and the willingness to exert pressure on the weak points of the people in power who are blocking change. Politics is not a tea party.

Roger Wilkins
Professor of history, George Mason University
William Faulkner once observed, "The past is never dead; it's not even past." In judging Obama's prediction, I pair Faulkner with a recent note from a brilliant young black man who wrote after viewing friendship circles on the Internet, "What struck me was how few blacks are in the networks of the young professional types...even Democrats and progressive types...we still have a long way before the fundamental sociocultural segregation of our society is relieved."

I'm old enough to remember how those barriers cracked some when in the late '30s Joe Louis knocked out the German champion Max Schmeling in the first round. And I remember how a decade later Jackie Robinson's pioneering performance on the Brooklyn Dodgers cracked them even more.

If two superb black athletes could significantly lessen the "sociocultural segregation of our society," a superb black president could significantly lessen even more the hold the past has on us, and that presidency would forever be regarded as one of the brightest lights in our national life.

Patricia Williams
Professor of law, Columbia University
Years ago a Vietnamese friend whose parents had sent her to boarding school in India to escape the war spoke to me of her amazement at the then-still-emergent intertwining of Gandhi's and Martin Luther King's philosophies. From her vantage point, the most remarkable thing about what became the American civil rights movement of the 1960s was that it was a revolution based on love. "How counterintuitive is that?" she asked. "How many times in history has that happened?"

It's not that the struggle wasn't attended by its quantum of brutality and violent backlash, she mused, but rather that King framed his goal as uniting a "beloved community" rather than bringing down a common enemy. It was a battle for recognition of the humanity that resided within every heart, "even Bull Connor's."

I don't think it is at all an exaggeration to say that Barack Obama's campaign is rooted in and furthers that kind of embracing progressive American story. The Bush administration has brought us to a very dangerous precipice: The world has been divided into good guys and bad guys, the due process promised in the Bill of Rights has been all but suspended by executive whimsy, and the use of torture has gained a stature in American discourse that it has not had since the good old days of public lynchings. Yet for a dangerous few years, public opposition was nonexistent in the face of manipulations like "you're with us or against us." Color-coded fearmongering silenced some of us; cynicism and a feeling of helplessness paralyzed others.

Barack Obama has done more to cut through the Orwellian garble of that frozen moment than any other public figure. He has given eloquent voice to the widespread unease at the course our government has pursued; he has done so with grace, without anger. And he has brought enough reasoned good sense back to the discussion that "diplomacy" is no longer a curse word.

If we are to pull back from the cliff's edge to which George W. Bush has shepherded us, I think it will be because the most redemptive moments in American history have always been rooted in the deepest promise of the First Amendment. I mean not merely the reductive right of frat boys to yell epithets, but the profound commitment to the propagation of ideas about how we constitute ourselves as a nation; the profound power of imagined political possibility; the profound freedom to exchange thoughts without fear of punishment. From the Puritan jeremiads to the Gettysburg address, from Harriet Tubman to FDR's fireside chats, from Abigail Adams to "Letter from a Birmingham Jail," our most interesting social transformations have always been given life by our most intelligent rhetoricians. Within that tradition, Barack Obama could be our Nelson Mandela—not a magician, but the page-turner to a more encompassing future for all.

Garry Wills
Author, What the Gospels Meant
It is true that Obama is facing a task of historic scale and difficulty, but he has not sufficiently identified it. The task is to restore a Constitution shredded by secrecy, illegal detention, and torture. The real question is whether he can convince the American people that these atrocities must be wiped out—and he has not begun to do that.


 

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To quote Krishnamurti: "In order to transform the world about us, with its misery, wars, unemployment, starvation, class divisions and utter confusion, there must be a transformation in ourselves. The revolution must begin within oneself - but not according to any belief or ideology, because revolution based on an idea, or in conformity to a particular pattern, is obviously no revolution at all."

Are we always dissecting others in an attempt to find the change that we should be?
Posted by:LPAugust 18, 2008 10:02:13 PMRespond ^
Aside from his "hope" of becoming president, I'd have to agree with Baumgardner. Sadly, even Buchanan is near the point. I say sadly, because Obama could be so much more. There are many people in this country, by far the majority, who need a progressive leader to restore balance and sanity to a runaway capitalist system. His past, his Congressional record, and his present actions indicate that he will not seek to restore social justice by re-regulating banks, halting imperial militarism, or empowering the working class. He may well win, as he will be as generous a friend to Wall Street, Boeing, Lockheed, K Street, and Halliburton as his competition. If so, we all lose, regardless of color or sex. Foreclosures, fighter jets, bullets, cancer and fraud know no race or gender. And LP, the answer is yes.
Posted by:JustinAugust 19, 2008 8:47:38 AMRespond ^
Some of these responses were really thought provoking. G. Loury, Rick Shenkman, Pat Williams, Mr. Robb--thank you so much. Loury in particular--amazing analysis. Pat Buchanan on the other hand continues to reveal his deep hatred of what do you call 'em Pat, oh yeah, the Bantus. Pat still despises the Bantus and is obviously in pain over Obama.
Posted by:KayAugust 19, 2008 9:04:10 AMRespond ^
No Democrat can win without proving that they agree that black people are not a part of the true American family. Bill Clinton executed a mentally retarded black man, played golf at a segregated club and sister souljad himself into the white house. Gore and Kerry just ignored them. Republicanism is a white Christian party in all but its name. Obama is treading some treacherous waters here. His accomplishments, against this nation's never ending racial saga is breathtaking.
Posted by:JaneAugust 19, 2008 9:12:06 AMRespond ^
While the outcome of Barack’s eloquent speeches is yet to be determined, I say that the messages in those speeches are not hollow if they pull Americans back from the brink of cynicism and isolationism caused by the Bush administration. The article “Don't Let the Screen Door Hit You, Mr. President” on Mother Jones yesterday summed up how many Americans turn away from the idea of a progressive president for the simple reason that they don’t expect much to come from either presidential candidate. I’m sure that we have all personally heard someone say that it doesn’t matter who is elected because the whole situation will never change for the better.
If Obama excites people and gets them out to vote, does matter if the message is exaggerated? Even if he only manages to pull off half of what he promises, that will be worlds better than what we have had for the last eight years. I say that I will take my chances with Obama because the alternative of indifference is far worse.
Posted by:AzhuraAugust 19, 2008 10:21:20 AMRespond ^
Barack Obama told the nation that he most values the counsel of his mother and his wife. Unfortunately he has been acting on the advice of political professionals who believe one must pander, be vague, equivocate. As a performer, Obama could "lift up" and inspire the nation by speaking truth not only to power but to the people. Currently he is "hitting back" at McCain -- a waste of time when the United States faces overwhelming problems. Leadership means taking great risks including the risk of losing an election. So far Barack Obama has not been willing to do the right thing.
Posted by:Doug GiebelAugust 19, 2008 12:25:22 PMRespond ^
What I keep saying about Obama is, "It ain't the man, it's the movement." Organizing has been slowly gaining ground over the last 20 or 30 years. Now, Obama's campaign is emphasizing grassroots organizing more than any I can remember.

Obama is not, in himself, the change we have been waiting for. But progressives have a chance to piggy back on Obama's organizing and continue to build a movement of the people that can truly change this country by putting the kind of pressure on politicians that they can't ignore.

If, however, all the new born activists that have been drawn to the Obama campaign simply lapse back into apathy after the election, assuming the battle has been either won or lost, we will have squandered a rare opportunity to dramatically increase the degree to which we the people can influence our government.

Our form of government was actually designed to obstruct real change. Only a powerful, engaged movement can hope to overcome that.
Posted by:Seanny53August 19, 2008 2:13:24 PMRespond ^
A Warning for Barack Obama. Concerning your upcoming debates with McCain. Go as the Barack whose white mother comes from Bedford Stuyvesant and whose black father deserted him when he was less than two years old. This is not the debate club. This is not Confirmation class. This is the boxing ring. And best you be a Mohammed Ali. He should have been your first pick as wise advisor, not your dear, if wise, family oriented wife. You tell McCain: I don't believe your prisoner of war [deleted] any more than I believe you didn't have the questions ahead of time. You tell them you don't believe it, Barack, because you have an email from a mathematician who says it was probabilistically and experientially too obvious, the ease with which McCain answered the important first set of questions so presciently perfect.



Our mathematics can also prove that Iraq was an invasion of American Forces, not a coalition, other than in words. And our bio-mathematical analysis also suggests that the conservatives are all perverse homosexual rapists and liars, collectively a Mark Foley, Larry Craig flag-shipped ludicrous bunch of power mad [deleted]s. Cindy McCain is a subordinate fem lesbian. She goes down for the strap-on. Up the ass. It all fits with Cindy's pill popping. Ask her drug rehab psychiatrist. Cindy was an upper class piece of cake for her rich parents who [deleted]ed her when she was a child as often happens to daughters in rich families in their having both the requisite perversity and the power to get away with it. Take a second look at this blank eyed plaything who was McCain's mistress while McCain trashed his first wife who waited faithfully for him the five years after McCain's plane was shot down while bombing the life out of a hundred thousand Vietcong women, children and primitive men living in thatched huts whose prime sin in their napalmed life was that they lived in a land that had oil off its shores when the North Vietnamese were kid brothers of our Orwellian foe, the Russians. Or, if your prefer the soapier explanation, McCain's first wife was [deleted]ing for other soldiers even before John was shot down. That's as typical for military wives as it is for the daughters of the rich. The military is too powerful in its officer rank to allow for anything vaguely resembling love except in a Ronald Reagan propaganda movie. Contrast to Dwight Eisenhower's love affair with his secretary that had no love in it because our General and President was admittedly impotent. Typical for a Republican. It's the orderliness of living at that level of military hierarchical control that ends freedom. If the soldier's superior officer owns your husband, you're not going to be nice to him? Rape and coercion is the reproductive strategy followed in the military, both heterosexual and homosexual. Yes sir! It's said perfectly in the movie, The Sergeant, starring Rod Steiger, who was never hired again, blacklisted, after he made that piece of truth. McCain ditched his unfaithful whore of a wife. Or alternatively, if she really was June Allison, McCain messed her up bad by sneaking off with another woman, the aforesaid, child molested, Cindy, I like to have my tits pinched by my mother, McCain.



This is a slightly more realistic view than you may have, Barack. Open your eyes to it or otherwise you can kiss your family goodbye. Dukakis's faithful loving wife, Kitty, started taking cough medicine like it was Gator Aide after they lost the election with egg on their faces. It wasn't what the Dukakis's had succeeded at that mattered, Governor of Massachusetts and sparkly wife as presidential candidates. It was what they didn't succeed at that mattered. So Barack, put Michelle's advice aside. And listen to Mohammed Ali, I am the greatest, today. In the next round, kick McCain in the balls. We wrote a letter to your Denver Campaign Coordinator, Victoria Scott-Haynes, whose husband played football for the Denver Broncos, telling Victoria, way back in May, that your just taking the crap, as started in the ABC debate, is deadly. But Victoria and the rest of your campaign are as blind to the reality of the game up at the next level as you are. Your fate, Barack, is as in the movie, Field of Dreams, as the guy who gets one time at bat in the major leagues and strikes out. If you lose, and you are going to if you don't listen up, it will be, as we make clear on our website, your ass strewn across the backboard in a very public way with them waiting down below bucket of tar and basket of chicken feathers in hand.



We say all this scientifically, mathematically. We agree with and actively defend Robert Scheer's insight in the San Francisco Chronicle that Saakashvili and the Georgia war were schemed up intentionally to make McCain look good and fire up his once sputtering campaign and beat you. It's in the SF Chronicle. Obampa Bumpa, you don't get to play it a second time around, dummy. So I suggest you pay attention to the insults hurled at you on www.matrix-evolutions.com for being such a chicken [deleted] pretender, when what was expected and is still needed is that you be the fearless, out of the night, super hero leader you once promised to be with your tone and style. You have superior talent. You should be able to beat McCain, an ass [deleted]ing, military brat, liar. You think his mother was any less a whore than his wives? And mummy owns her Johnny sonny boy next president like Aunt Tillie owns her aging Labrador Retriever. Barak, baby, promise you will take risk quickly, throw Jesus and Pastor Warren and other rabbit foot superstition out of the car, and know, oh last hope of us all, that you have nothing to lose by completely putting your ass on the line. There is no tomorrow for you, or for the rest of us. Put some truth behind your saxophone. Or toss it into the ocean and step aside and make room for Hillary. While there's still time to repair the huge hole torpedoed into the Democratic Part ship of state, the only Ship of State we have left, because if it goes down, competitive government shifts to the totalitarian, no real opposition, kind, aka, THE END.



Mrs. Ruth and Dr. Peter V. Calabria
Posted by:Ruth CalabriaAugust 19, 2008 5:35:54 PMRespond ^
"If Obama excites people and gets them out to vote, does [it] matter if the message is exaggerated?"
Yes it matters a lot. Unless you don't think disenfranchisement and apathy are problems. It's WHY it is so hard to get people to vote now.
And it reinforces that method of winning.
Posted by:JustinAugust 19, 2008 7:54:19 PMRespond ^
Obama could be our Nelson Mandela? In that you may be right if you are refering to his potential to only slightly narrow the race gap, while leaving the gaps of economic instability and civil unrest to widen.

Of those individuals arrested at the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York, more than 60% claimed to have no affiliation with either of the major parties. What do you think is going on here?

The informed citizenry of today is far less likely to surrender trust upon both parties. This being due to the increasing numbers who believe both parties serve the system of U.S. corporate/political hegemony, which serves to disenfranchise a forecast for progress.

I should like to live in a country where the candidates are not always expected to move their policies to the center, which embodies stagnation. Hope dies in the center.

If we are ever to adopt any semblence of a progressive movement, it should have started at the beginning of the campaign, not after the election as some of these responders above wish to see. If a true revolution starts, let it start with diplomacy.
Posted by:SlimTimAugust 19, 2008 10:43:55 PMRespond ^
"Is Barack Obama exaggerating when he compares his campaign to the great progressive moments in US history? "

-Please source your original quote. Seriously, as this hit piece has been called out elsewhere, your thesis question itself is flawed.

When DID Obama say this?

Answer, he didn't.

Seriously, has Mother Jones joined the rest of the mainstream media in being John McCain's little lapdogs?

Sad. REALLY sad.

I used to read this site as a good source of liberal interests, but you guys have really jumped the shark.

It's just....sad.
Posted by:DrPayneAugust 20, 2008 11:25:02 AMRespond ^
LOL, wut?

It took till the last paragraph to understand that you aren't Republican troll(s), but bitter HIll supporters.

Yeah, Obama, take this guy's (these "people's") opinion. It's best to listen to the advice of those that support the vaunted "CLinton Machine" that lost the primaries to a black guy with little experience, and no $100 million personal bank account, a media in it's pocket, and all the ties you could dream of within the Democratic party.

Hillary Clinton is flat out the BIGGEST LOSER in the history of politics. That's why Bill is so upset lately. His wife is SUCH a failure at EVERYTHING that she ruined their legacy.

Barack did what the "vast-right-wing-conspiracy" couldn't do.

Take down the Clinton's.

PLease keep in mind, mnedia bias aside, Obama is up by 170 electoral college votes according to an average of pollsters. He's up by 130 electoral college votes according to the average of think tanks from both sides of the ideological aisle. Only the media has it a horse race.

tl:dr Obama doesn't need your advice. Get to Denver for your lil protest march.
Posted by:DrPayneAugust 20, 2008 11:34:27 AMRespond ^
Thanks Dr. Payne. You articulated a problem I was having with this piece. David Corn, you should be ashamed to add to this growing attack on the Dem nominee. Imagine, you have a platform to dismantle McCain, & instead you call your old buddy Pat to disparage Obama just as he is falling in the polls. Way to go Dems! Let's tell the independents to avoid Obama right before the convention. This works well with Dowd's hit piece in the Times this morning.
Posted by:KayAugust 20, 2008 11:43:29 AMRespond ^
This little exercise falls precipitously close to "Fixed Noise" territory. Make [deleted] up about Obama and get the racist Pat Buchanan to opine about it. Gee, I wonder why this progressive will never subscribe to Mother Jones?
Posted by:solidAugust 20, 2008 12:50:33 PMRespond ^
I think you are NOT using the true statements made by Obama. Just a figment of some imaginary statement made by someone you saw where?
Posted by:Marcy StrubAugust 20, 2008 1:01:56 PMRespond ^
Are you trying to get McCain elected? What is wrong with you? Why ask a question on something that Obama has never actually said? You disappoint me. I'll just stick with "The Nation" you keep your magazine and your John McCain. Go Obama
Posted by:KateAugust 20, 2008 1:04:06 PMRespond ^
This is a smear! I can't believe this! Obama has NEVER said his candidacy is just like the great movements of American history, and you show that you know this but not providing ANY evidence of it -- no quotes, no video, nada. Are you TRYING to provide Limbaugh's next show title? This is snarky piling-on and I'm furious.
Posted by:Kate B.August 20, 2008 1:08:42 PMRespond ^
pat buchanan's very short reflection is dead on. it ROCKS!!!!!

lordy helps us should this person actually find their way into office. we already have enough egotistical jerks abounding the world over to last us a lifetime as it is without voting another one into "power".

ps have had NO DOUBT this [garbage] has been coming forth from ms. obama herself all along. there is a soul to be feared lurking behind those eyes pictured anywhere these days.
Posted by:hpAugust 20, 2008 1:51:26 PMRespond ^
"I'm asking you to believe, not just in my ability to bring about real change in Washington, I'm asking you to believe in yours." Barack Obama

I've never been very involved in politics because it seemed too hard to understand and I didn't believe that what I thought mattered or could change anything. For me, and millions of other Americans, Barack Obama has brought us to our own sense of empowerment. As I talk to people, many are still locked in cynicism. The republicans have controlled America's mind for a long time by inciting fear and fostering the labotomy like condition of cynicism. In the meantime, the wealthy have become incredibly wealthier and the poor have become poorer while the middle class has faded nearly away. Brad Delong, Economist at UC Berkley, compiled the following statistics. 1946-1976 the bottom 90% of Americans rose in income 83% and the top 1% of wealthiest Americans rose in income 20%. Between 1976 and 2006 the bottom 90% of Americans rose in income 10% and the top 1% of wealthiest Americans rose in income 232%. This was not an accident. It has been a concerted effort to focus wealth and power away from 90% of Americans and focus it on what the Wall Street Journal now calls the new country of "Richistan". More recently, the top 0.01 of the very wealthiest have far outstretched the top 1%. This has been accomplished through a series of tax laws, loop holes and other machinations. Lobbyists, PACs and special interests have taken over the law making process of this country by lavishly funding the reelection campaigns of our elected officials and, until recent ethics laws, by providing "perks" to those same people. America is now, of all the western developed nations, the country with the widest gap between the few rich and the many poor. Obama, through a desire to empower Americans, has brought many of us to a state of wakefulness and out of the somnambulent state of unawareness that allowed this state of affairs to reach a crisis point before we realized what is happening. America is at a crossroads. This is the first time in American history that our children will experience a less good standard of living than we have had. If this state of affairs is allowed to continue, America as we have known it will be no more. Barack Obama cannot effect the change away from the precipice by himself, as he clearly and frequently says. But, he can and has pointed at the cliff and because he points, many of us finally see. If he becomes president, he will do everything in his power to continue to activate Americans to see the problems and by seeing use their power to begin a reversal of these circumstances. It will take much more than one man can accomplish, but if he makes enough of us aware and active, he will indeed have served the country in a way that would be difficult to overstate in it's weight and importance. He does not claim this for himself, but he does feel the weight of the great need for it to begin. In the past eight years, the process has vastly increased it's pace. Another term or two and it may well be unstoppable. Remember that the republicans have sought to make their party the permanent party in power and they have been far too successful in the last forty years. It is no accident that this tallies with the vast change in the state of economic health for 90% of Americans. Obama has brought the message. It is up to us to decide if we will heed it. The American Dream is the prize. Will it belong only to the top 0.01% of Americans or will it go back to being the birthright of all Americans? Do we shoot the messenger or do we wake up and take action? The nation awaits our decision.
Posted by:karelaAugust 20, 2008 1:54:26 PMRespond ^
As a conservative who enjoys reading Mother Jones from time to time, this has been quite an interesting and revealing discussion about the “hype” around St Obama, where it appears that familiarity is breeding contempt.
Obama, by all accounts, is a very earnest, bright and well-meaning man; he’s just not qualified to be president of the United States, a pointy reinforced by the latest Zogby poll showing him falling behind McCain for the first time. Still months away from the election with perhaps the most incompetent president to ever hold office in the white House, which is saying quite a bit, and Obama is falling behind grumpy old McCain? Think McGovern,”72”.
Obama has run over many of the Left’s feelings as he steams full speed ahead towards the Center because he knows this is a center/right country and that people fainting away at Move On.org and the Daily Kos will not get him elected. Worry not, once he is elected, he’ll move back to his socialist roots. He may have a better chance than McGovern: Bush, who is no conservative, by the way, seems determined to get us into a shooting war with Vlad the Impaler or bankrupt the nation, whichever he can get accomplished by January 20.
Posted by:IvanhoeAugust 20, 2008 1:56:39 PMRespond ^
Barack Obama never compare his campaign to any such thing....it was you and other media types who are always trying to find new angles to scoop other media outlets make up these ridiculous non quotes. You own Senator Obama an apology and his supporters as well. There is no more integrity left in MSM. Today's bloggers have more in their little thumbs than the entire Main Stream ever had. Edward R Murrow must be rolling in his grave at the horrendous job today's Media is doing. He would be ashamed at the lot of you.
Posted by:barbara millerAugust 20, 2008 2:02:30 PMRespond ^
Great piece of work!

Thanks
Posted by:captAugust 20, 2008 2:45:19 PMRespond ^
A black man being elected President of the USA will make the freeing of the slaves seem like a appetizer.
Posted by:osisbsAugust 20, 2008 2:57:25 PMRespond ^
I think the title of this article and some of its semiotics is a little problematic.

I didn't realize a presidential campaign is a movement. Certainly the campaign may be a part larger backlash against the last eight years of the current administration. That backlash is the movement. Not Obama's campaign. Mother Jones where'd the MoJo go, looks like a Guy DeBord influenced title if I ever saw one.
Posted by:AlexAugust 20, 2008 2:59:27 PMRespond ^
Cindy Sheehan's campaign against Nancy Pelosi and her complicity in the administration's crimes is much closer to a Revolutionary campaign.
Posted by:Kellie HahnAugust 20, 2008 3:04:59 PMRespond ^
To Garry Wills:

Amen.
Posted by:Dave AndersonAugust 20, 2008 3:10:47 PMRespond ^
I'm very disappointed in Mother Jones for this piece. As many posters have said, Obama never compared his campaign to the great progressive moments in history. What he has said repeatedly is that, in order to create a great progressive moment in history, we need to be the kind of people who stand up for those moments. Perhaps this COULD end up being a great progressive moment in history! Not because Barack Obama ran for President, but because Barack Obama challenged each and every one of us to get off our a***s and take our country back! If electing Barack Obama doesn't accomplish that, then we continue to stand for a President who will. Maybe Obama is just another politician like all the others. But I'm certain that other guy is, and MAYBE Obama isn't. At least he has inspired me to speak up and take actions I have never taken before and, although I'm just one person, there is something to be said for that. Perhaps sitting at a computer and cynically poking holes in everything said (or implied, or alluded to) by a presidential candidate will accomplish turning our country around, but I'm inclined to believe that individual actions taken by people who have been inspired to take action is much more likely to accomplish actual change.
Posted by:SCJAugust 20, 2008 3:12:15 PMRespond ^
LOL Thanks LP. It was nice to read someone quoting Krishnamurti.

I've said it before. Electing a black man as president will be historical. Not just something to insert into a history book but marking a significant progression of America. It will be a great day when a person of color is elected (sort of) president. There is no denying this.
Now Obama being a leader of change? A change from the extremism of Bush? Yes. Changing the imperialistic/neoliberal/rampant capitistic ways of America? No. The civil rights movement was about equality of color but it was also about equality amoung each aspect of humanity.
Yes, Obama's election would be the election of a person of color to the highest office in this country and therefore his election is part of the civil rights movements. But many of his actions and stands still represent the opposite of what these movements were trying to attain.
Obama is no MLK. But he does represent in a very significant way what great people MLK fought and died for.
Obama is hands down better than Bush and McCain (even with their best aspects combined) but Obama does not represent the hope of the needed change that the civil rights movement represented.
Posted by:nakisAugust 20, 2008 3:25:08 PMRespond ^
Senator Obama never SAID what you are "quoting" him as "saying". Have you guys been hanging out with Karl Rove?
Posted by:Doreen RiceAugust 20, 2008 3:56:08 PMRespond ^
Interesting and thought-provoking responses to a seminal question MoJo has posed. From the point of view of a Vietnamese American Democrat who has worked the last sizteen months on the primary season campaign, I can tell you that the best way to view the young Senator's meteoric rise is to contrast it with the distance he has traversed. He has accomplished much as an individual, and yet the paradox of the koan you pose is that his message and its far-reaching importance will not be measured by what he does, but what sacrifices he can ask us to commit to to be the witness to a rebirth of the American spirit. The cabal of "leaders", not just socio-political, but also economic, cultural and environmental, the country has been subjected to the last 50 years is one explanation of just how arid our culture has become. Another perspective is America's narcissistic obsession with its power and might, just like the Roman Empire, Napoleon's France and Hitler's Germany have helped to produce sots like Bush and Cheney, the worst of the lot. It is less up to Obama to reverse the cycle as it is up to us to create that sea change. It will not happen without our voices and our energy, and unfortunately for the country, the curve of civilization has already shifted to another region of the globe.

Here and now may be urgent, but imagination and intelligence take time to actualize. In the cacophony of an election, the people making the noise and the people trying to listen are both subjected to the same vacuum.
Posted by:QuanAugust 20, 2008 4:02:10 PMRespond ^
Thanks, Ruth and Peter. Your advice to the young Senator is right on. I hope he takes it to heart and I hope he comes to the dance, weaving and jabbing. I learned this growing up in Viet Nam. A guerilla war can only be won if your opponent believes in his lies. Republicans have a great track record of spin and nastiness, but do they truly believe in their lies ?
Posted by:QuanAugust 20, 2008 4:05:35 PMRespond ^
Please give me your cite for the statement allegedly made by Obama, wherein he "compared his campaign to the great progressive moments in US history." I have made a diligent search for this quote and have been unable to find it. Is this quote merely an extrapolation by Mother Jones?
Posted by:al JonesAugust 20, 2008 4:14:10 PMRespond ^
his congressional record? what record?his only track record is speechs not stands not votes, he changes his stance on issues all the time, how can anyone confidently vote for someone who has nothing to base his expections on? he has a lot of audasity to be running for president with no experience or qualifcations, im sorry but his candadacy is a joke, and what get me isobama people rail about him like he s acomplished so much in his political life...he has ran for president, thats about it, and he backed into the nomination, i could support him if he had more experience if he had casted votes and took stands on issues, that he so critisizes others for...making a speech isnt the same as casting a vote, or sticking your political neck,critisizing is easy if you havent done anything, thats the easiest thing in the world to do, i could never vote for someone like that no matter who they are,and it concerns me, that a portion of the people not only vote for him reguardless of the facts, but are treating him like the second coming...disturbing and hollow, this not the way to pick our commander in chief and would set a terrible president for the future...i m voting independent, im writing in a candadate who i feel is qualified, i hope others do in the millions to send a loud message to the demos and reps, dont try this again
Posted by:rickoAugust 20, 2008 4:18:20 PMRespond ^
I hope Obama can be at least some of what we need in this country.Most of all ,we need a leader. Someone that can look at this country and the world and say the world is changing ,follow me in a new direction. He will need many good advisors,a progressive congress, and wide support of the people. Now,we all have high hopes. In four years ,we will decide how great his presidency was.
Posted by:joe hammenAugust 20, 2008 4:27:10 PMRespond ^
in a sense, the american people, as defined by the media, have a point. barack obama may be lofty, but he is not really accessible. he is cool, removed, articulate and relatively cold. jack kennedy had a defining moment when he ran for president, when he started to really hate richard nixon. and knew in his soul that the election of nixon would be a disaster for this country. he had an enemy. he faced that enemy. he ran with passion and conviction, as if it really mattered. and he won. ironically, at a time when it matters more than in 1960, we have a candidate with no discernible passion and no easy-to-understand ideas or convictions. except for his opposition to the war in Iraq. which, while important, is rather a slim reed on which to base a campaign. barack obama has no enemy, no real goals and virtually no resume with which to judge him. yes, the election of an african-american president would be a ground-breaking event in the history of this country. but does that mean any african-american will do? the comment referring to lbj's great legislative and progressive accomplishments was exactly correct. he knew the levers of power. he knew how to get things done. and he knew how to ride on the goodwill generated by the life (and, yes, death) of jfk to a great victory for civil rights and the progressive movement. for some reason the left seems to want a president who is above politics. but what does that mean? a president has to not just inspire, a president has to lead. a president has to govern. a president has to accomplish something. success will not be gauged by good will. barack obama may or may not be the best there is - unfortunately, there is no way to know. and if he is elected and fails? what then for the "progressive" movement (i prefer liberal but i go with the current vernacular of the left)? it is well to remember that one of barack obama's intellectual heroes is edmund burke. a brilliant man, but hardly a progressive - quite the obvious. burke hated change and he certainly hated rapid, significant change. i will vote for barack obama, but i wish i had something more substantial with which to face John McCain - an immoral sleaze who's only goal is to be elected - and he will do anything in this world to make sure that happens. maybe hillary clinton was right. maybe barack obama just doesn't have what it takes.
Posted by:jerry shapiroAugust 20, 2008 4:39:00 PMRespond ^
If you are interested in Smart fearless journalism read the Huffington Post.
I am dissapointed in you David.
Posted by:Paul August 20, 2008 5:45:15 PMRespond ^
Obama will ultimately be judged with a degree of retrospection. How does anyone make it as far as being a realistic Presidential candidate for the Whitehouse??? He may ultimately prove a puppet of the real power behind global machinations or otherwise. The crucial question is surely how may chances do we give these people. If he betrays the US and global systems, we are one step nearer to anarchy at best and chaos at worst. I hope he is reading this.
Posted by:Russell CavanaghAugust 20, 2008 7:01:22 PMRespond ^
Gary Wills has it right. The vast majority of Americans have no idea what has been done to democracy and to civil rights in this country behind a shroud of secrecy. Constantly invoking the fear of terrorism, this administration has turned the U.S. Constitution on its head, all but demolished the Bill of Rights and introduced a clandestine police state. Obama's first order of business should be to dismantle the police state constructed by the President, repeal the USA Patriot Act, and undo the most recent changes to FISA.
Posted by:GraywolfAugust 20, 2008 7:30:59 PMRespond ^

It will be whatever we wish it to be..
We will take it as far as we wish to take it.
It is an opportunity for those who see it as one... or nothing more than a carnival come-on if you want it that way. He may be only what we hope.
Posted by:W BradfordAugust 20, 2008 7:43:43 PMRespond ^
You Obama disciples just dont get it! Where did you learn your tricks? Has Dubya been the only Pres,. youve ever known, so thats how you think its done?! If people cant even question anything he says, but have to hear about him in magazines, online, the phone, email, tv---theryre going to start hating him! Yep! As a poor person (with a degree) , hearing about all this transendence is nauseating--he never says anythign about poverty--and theres alot more of us now---except that black men should "step up to the plate". Well, not everyone can be as Christ-like as Him! Do yourself a favor and BACK OFF a little! He's down in the polls--if you dont watch it , the Dems are going to LOSE again, and then, after 8 yrs of Dubya, they should SURELY disband. Hell, hes not a Dem anyway--hes a centrist/conservative. Get a grip and let him defend himself for a change! geez!!! He lets people debate his policies on HIS website--why cant you?! You need to look at your real motivations--other than HOPE--what is it you love about him so much?His looks? His hoops? This goes beyond loyalty to a candidate--its neo-con like! Do you just want to "stick it" to older people? So did I! But after these 8 yrs. we cannot be messing around--believe me, ok? Its NEVER been like this since i was alive! If we dont stop the racial/sexual/age/ divide--we might as well annex oursevles into Canada--if theyd take us--which I doubt.I dont know what to say about it anymore---he just keeps dropping, and you keep pushing him down peopels' throats--notice a trend??
Posted by:My Gawd! August 20, 2008 7:56:42 PMRespond ^
Answer to original question is yes! In spite of all the above attempts at meaningful bloviation, I find no fault with "guilty as charged" he is a good politician.
Posted by:Don SchneiderAugust 20, 2008 9:15:20 PMRespond ^

This election is not about Obama. It is about us, we the people. It is about America. It is about changing the horrible policies that the Bush administration have enacted. And it is about the world community.


I agree with Patricia Williams comments. America is dangerously teetering on the precipice whereby I believe McCain will push the country over the ledge. He is more authouritarian and more war-prone than even Bush.


Most Americans do not realize how much damage Cheney and Bush have done to our system of government because it is shrouded in secrecy, information is obstructed and coupled with a politicized DoJ and every other department in government they've got their bases covered. So getting McCain elected is their main goal for the simple reason he will never hold investigations into the alleged criminal acts taken place the past 8 years.


Obama has the intelligence and temperament to be President. He is not driven by raw self-serving ambition. He is driven by a "vision" -- one that most Americans share: bettering the human condition.


In contrast McCain admitted in his books he is driven by personal ambition not social change or anything else. McCain's quick to anger reactionary temperament scares me to think he would have his finger on the trigger.


McCain's claim of having "experience" is a false narrative. What "experience" does McCain have that qualifies him to be president? He has not made any great achievements. Being a senator for 26 years, a POW nor serving in the military prepares anyone for the presidency. No job does.


McCain's claim of having the right judgment is also a false narrative. His campaign is filled with over 100 lobbyists rather than consultants. For example: Randy Scheunemann his senior foreign policy advisor and a lobbyist for Georgia has received over $800,000 from Georgia's government. Whose best interests does he have in mind?


McCain has been less than forthcoming on a range of issues. He wants to privatize Social Security. He wants more wars. He wants to give huge corporations billions in tax breaks and a host of other things -- including kicking Russia out of the G-8. He wants to start a war with Iran. How smart is that?


The other day McCain said wrt Georgia, "we have reached a crisis, the first serious crisis since the end of the Cold War." Did he forget that since the fall of the Soviet Union the US has fought 2 wars in Iraq, a war in Afghanistan and 2 conflicts in the Balkans.



For someone who thinks Czechoslovakia still exists, references Pakistan-Iraq border, does not know the number of troops in Iraq and a lot of other things unravels McCain's narrative of having an upper hand on foreign policy.


For someone who got it right about Iraq, got it right about the consequences during the aftermath and beyond, got it right about deploying the troops, got it right about Afghanistan and much, much more gives me confidence Obama understands and is by far more knowledgeable on foreign affairs than McCain.



Moreover I prefer Obama's sane, measured and thoughtful approach over McCain's bluster, in-your-face bellicose rhetoric and threats which are counterproductive. Furthermore it demonstrates that McCain does not anticipate the consequences thereof.



This is not solely about Obama; It is about us, we the people. And he is the first one to say that notwithstanding ! Granted he is not perfect and although it will take decades, but if we are to repair the damage Bush & Cheney have done Obama is our best hope to get things moving. Otherwise with McCain, a third-term Bush on steroids, the likelihood of America surviving another 4 years is nil.
Posted by:serena1313August 20, 2008 10:18:07 PMRespond ^
I am trying to find where Obama claimed that his campaign compares with the "great progressive movements" of US history.
I believe some of his supporters may make that claim, but I don;t know that Obama ever has.
Mother Jones should post a footnote with the exact quote. Please clarify.
Posted by:John CAugust 20, 2008 10:18:44 PMRespond ^
Buchanan wrote: "As for the civil rights movement, that completed the emancipation of people of color, and has dramatically affected American politics for a half-century."

Where the hell did he grow up? Not where I did, for sure.

The emancipation of people of color (as well as other minorities, defined by gender, economics or advantage) is a work in progress. We damn well better confront that fact (like we must confront evil). These are ongoing battles, not quickly won skirmishes.
Posted by:Pat HenryAugust 21, 2008 12:49:50 AMRespond ^
Barack Obama came into the race posturing as a progressive candidate with street cred. He did a fine job of stating the obvious problems that have evolved since Reagan began unplugging the Great Society project and rolling its components to the boneyard. But his answers to those problems, although music to our ears, were always vague, never more than reminding us that we can do better. The assumption was that we would do better by attacking our problems openly, progressively, and fairly. Yes we can. Each one of us would have input to the process, and our input would be just as important as any corporation's input.

As one of the guest authors reminded us above, it must be noted that this is, after all, an election campaign whose bottom line purpose is to elect the candidate. Agreed. But in 40 years of watching political campaigns, I have never seen one that so obviously and blatantly used the progressive wing of the Democrat party until the exact last moment it was needed and then threw it overboard.

The first hint of this happened about 3 weeks before Obama "cinched" the nomination (this is in quotes because I still believe the nomination is in play). There was some kind of press-manufactured kerfuffle about Israel and Hamas and how Obama was pledged to talk to "terrorists". Bear in mind that Hamas is the legally elected representative government of what's left of the Palestinians. Obama quickly explained that his pledge to talk to everyone without conditions "didn't include terrorists" so he wouldn't be talking to Hamas. Whoa. In other words, since we won't be talking to Hamas, that means... what? Perpetual war and captivity of the Palestinians? Of course, this whole incident was timed to embarrass Obama before his AIPAC appearance, but to me it looked like an important step back from a progressive foreign policy promise he made during the nomination campaign.

Later, Obama made the obligatory trip to AIPAC to assure the Jewish lobby that he would continue America's middle east policy, namely, we will arm Israel to the teeth and unconditionally defend anything they do to their neighbors. Nothing progressive to see here, folks, move along.

The FISA incident was the first to set off a general alarm among Obama's supporters. Oddly, it was over telecom immunity. Obama's supporters thought it was more important to guarantee the right to SUE the telecoms for their participation in an illegal spying program than it is to fight the whole notion of FISA as unconstitutional as a violation of the 4th Amendment. Obama's website hummed with a revolt; somewhere around 15,000 Obamatrons signed up to tell him in no uncertain terms that he ought to consider voting against the bill unless it had the Dodd amendment attached. Obama brushed this aside, and his answer should have immediately driven 50% of the progressive Obama supporters out the door. He said that the legislation wasn't PERFECT, but it was necessary for NATIONAL SECURITY. Isn't this exactly what we've been hearing for the last 8 years?

In quick succession, Obama made pro-gun statements in the context of the SC ruling on the DC gun ban, and pro-death penalty statements on the notion that the death penalty is OK in some rape cases. Nothing progressive here, folks, move along.

Then a new controversy started up over his Iraq plan, or possibly the lack thereof. Did he have a timeline or didn't he? His answer, perfectly ambiguous and un-progressive, is that he will definitely withdraw the troops over a 16 month timeline depending upon the general consensus of the COMMANDERS ON THE GROUND. Wow. Where have we heard THAT before? Oh, and by the way, we're not going to actually send these troops home, we're sending them to Afghanistan.

Then I heard something that made my ears perk up. I remember during the famous "flag pin" debate moderated by Charlie Gibson, Obama adamantly declared that his health care plan covered as many people as Hillary Clinton's plan and that it was virtually the same plan. But in a speech in California, Obama was telling small businesses that he was going to work to make HEALTH INSURANCE more affordable. Wait a minute. Did he say "insurance"? Yep, he sure did. If you ever thought that you would get single payer health insurance from Obama, which would make his plan "virtually identical" to Hillary's plan, you are sadly mistaken. You will NEVER see single payer under Obama. His plan is laughable. He plans to save a bundle of money by applying computer technology to the insurance industry to make them more efficient. Here's some news, Barack... they've had computers for DECADES. So since there's no money there, he's going to repeal Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% of Americans (nice, appeal to class envy) and use that to make insurance more "affordable". So how does this really "work"? It puts 47 million new customers on the health insurance rolls on the gubbermint's dime (oh, goody, another windfall) and it shovels federal dollars into the health insurance industry's pockets like coal into a steam locomotive. They LOVE this plan, it's an economic windfall and it gives them endless new opportunity to deny care, tell MDs how to practice medicine, and skim their 33% off the top. So, by my reckoning, Obama outright LIED to us about his health care plan while we were all transfixed by whether or not he would wear a flag pin. Our bad.

Just when I thought this couldn't get any stupid-er than it already was, Obama came out of the blue and said he plans to EXPAND the "faith-based initiative". Holy smokes. This was the WORST blatant pandering to the religious establishment of the Bush Administration. It was an abject failure and fiasco as reported by former Director John Dilulio and Deputy Director David Kuo. It is un-Constitutional, a violation of the 1st Amendment separation clause. It promotes violations of the federal hiring standards. And most of all, churches don't WANT it. They don't want the Feds snooping around looking at their church activities. So what's this all about? To prove he's not a "secret Muslim"?

So, let's take a tally. On the progressive scorecard, Obama scores zero on ME policy, zero on guns, zero on death penalty, zero on single payer, zero on Iraq, zero on Afghanistan, and zero on separation of church and state.

Where he really scores an extra-poignant zero with this progressive is that I feel he stabbed us square in the back. He cynically and purposely lured progressives into his campaign, harnessing our fear and loathing of Bush and the status quo to do thousands or even millions of hours of free legwork for his campaign. Then as soon as he didn't need us any more, it's jettison us wild-eyed liberals before Joe Lunchbucket and Billy Biblethwacker notice that it was a progressive campaign. Despicable.

I was one of those who did legwork. I was a precinct captain for Obama in Iowa during the caucus season.

There is an elephant in the room and I am not referring to the symbolic mascot of the GOP. The elephant is that there has been a mass defection of former progressive Obama supporters like me to Ralph Nader's campaign. The media won't tell us that. They wonder why Obama has been unable to blow McCain out of the water, so to speak, in the polls in a year when the Democrats should take this election hands down. John McCain is probably the most inept candidate the GOP has put up in my lifetime (and I remember Dan Quayle). He can barely even speak. He has money and sex scandals. He is virtually the same as the most unpopular president in US history. So why can't Obama put this away? He has been running slightly above McCain, and even fallen below him in one recent poll. Well, talk to the elephant.

I am working for the Nader campaign in Iowa, which should have turned blue this year. Nader will pull about 6% of the vote here, which will be enough to keep it red. This scenario will play out all over the country. That works for me. The Democrat party didn't "get it" in 2000. They didn't see that running as GOP Lite isn't going to win them the election. Obama's campaign didn't see it, either.

I am never going to vote for the less worse candidate again. I'm getting too old for that kind of sh*t. Ralph Nader has been working for America for 40 years, and his understanding of the problems we face and his solutions are more well thought out than any other candidate. He gets my vote.

-Wexler

PS Naomi Klein is one of my heroes and she nailed it, as usual. Thanks Ms Klein for everything you do for us.
Posted by:William W. WexlerAugust 21, 2008 8:05:22 AMRespond ^
Is Mother Jones exaggerating when it sees its journalistic policy as reputable compared to one that would not concoct a story for self-gain based on a quote that was never made??

Any responses should be published with the same hype as this story.
Posted by:ToniMAugust 21, 2008 10:00:53 AMRespond ^
Funny how even educated critics will say Obama is comparing himself or his campaign to the civil rights movement or World War II, among the other things. Actually he is comparing other moments of hope, and then saying this is our moment of hope. Thats all.

When trying to inspire others, how effective would it be to use mundane moments of hope as examples?

Would the little choo choo that said "yes I can" be inspiring?

Maybe he could use the current administrations example of abuse of power and their ability to wriggle free from accountability at every turn. They said "Yes we can, Yes we can!"
Posted by:DGAugust 21, 2008 3:13:41 PMRespond ^
Perhaps in asking the very question, MoJo missed Obama's point in his quotation: Obama does not compare is campaign to the great social revolutions of our country's history. He implies that his campaign--and his presidency--can be a jumping-off point, an inspirational flash-point to the rest of us. Re-reading Obama's quotation, it is clear to me that he does not suggest that "his campaign"--a miniscule component in the grand scheme--is the great progressive shift. Rather, he suggests that the American people, with a leader such as himself rather than the horrific excuse for leadership we currently have, can do to leap into the next great age. Obama's quotation is clearly about what we Americans--as individuals and collectively--would do with the tremendous opportunity that a presidency such as his might provide. So, why are we asking if "his campaign" is the next great progressive moment, when even the candidate knows that his role is merely a match to the flame?
Posted by:Leslie Martel BaerAugust 21, 2008 4:20:06 PMRespond ^
Herein is a lot of cynical sniping on the theme of calculation: how could Obama possibly run for President without taking on a calculated approach to the task, and THEREFORE (the mistake) he can't mean his rhetoric about change coming from the heart, and having the potential power to transform the system.

It's both, people; not one or the other. Sure, there's calculation going on. Are you forgetting that you yourself mix calculation with more pure motivations when, for instance, you labor at a job you might not like much, because it supports the things you care about? We all have to create this sort of balance in our lives.

Obama is a more complex personality than we're used to, on the political stage. As such, he has varied opinions, sometimes his positions evolve, and they won't always fit a soundbite. Given his complexities, he does a masterful job of presenting us with accessible translations of his inner reality. He's broken new ground, in his ability to package a relatively complex perception into the time a debate-broker will allow him. This is a challenging skill, and I've no doubt that it requires some calculation to be able to do so -- in terms of thinking about the facets of the subject and working the questions and answers in one's head, and with one's advisors.

Does the fact that Obama would "calculate" his answers turn me off? Hell no, it gives me confidence in him, because the calculations involved are not in the interest of swaying and biasing my interpretation of who he is, but are calculated to fit complex subjects (the only kind there are, these days) through the simplifying filters of what we euphemistically call the "media."

Another mistaken interpretation, at the core of many of the guested critiques, is that Obama is saying that HIS candidacy is the hope he speaks of. I find this criticism either disingenuous, or simply shallow.

In the Obama speech passage quoted, for instance, he never once says that he or his campaign constitute the hope he cites. I'm certain he thinks there is a connection, as do I, but that's assumed in the context of the statement. The passage makes it clear that if he fits the shoe, it's because Obama answers to hope; not hope, to Obama's ambitions.

I'm struck also by how one-dimensional the Right Winger's responses are. Pat Robertson, for instance, jumps to the simple (and wrong) interpretation that Obama is selling his candidacy as equivalent to the great movements for civil rights. Not at all. Obama is saying simply that there is another way to look at the world and its possibilities, and that he is willing to do his best to help such a worldview grow until it has power.

It's not about Obama, and Obama is doing his best, both to keep that perspective personally, and to remind us all of that truth, every chance he gets. That's why his detractors in these comments can't pin him as a megalamaniac, even by stretching the truth -- because he doesn't put himself into that prescription for hope, except as a present focus for the collective impulse he hopes to nurture. Instead, he uses his rhetorical talents to remind us that it's our country and society at issue -- our aspirations, not his own -- and that the change we want isn't going to come from electing a random politician, but from our changing focus on action and accountability from the entire process of our culture and government.

This is a very large concept. No wonder small minds don't get it.

That said, I think there an unappreciated opportunity, in this format of asking notables to comment on such things. Too often, the George Wills and Pat Buchanans get to set their own narrow parameters for their comments, within which they can appear to be reasonable. This format promises to become an effective debate forum, for the commentariate; where people can see the zoo's animals in a rather more natural setting, rather than mirrored rooms of their own device.

In such light, be prepared to see such forums labled "subversive/socialist," when the Rightists start to see how stupid they look in such settings.
Posted by:Dan MortensonAugust 21, 2008 7:26:43 PMRespond ^
Dear LP,
You are so right on the money! We as a collective continue to search outside ourselves for the changes we so desperately seek, and we are quick with our swords when someone is not delivering what they can not... In my opinion, leadership comes only from within and does not require another to show us the way. Becoming 'dependent' on others to lead us opens the door for apathy, disillusionment and even tryanny. I agree- we must learn to become the transformation we seek through others.
Well done, LP. Blessings
Posted by:AndreaAugust 21, 2008 11:07:29 PMRespond ^
Yes, to some small degree, the idea of a black president has convinced people to vote just because it hasn't happened before. It is to be taken into consideration, however, that it shouldn't matter whether someone is black, or a woman, etc. because the majority of votes is going to go to the leader with the best results for the country. In essence, the greatest number of votes is going to go to the polititian who is best suited for running the nation, and his/her gender, race, etc arn't in great affect of the polls.
Posted by:Joe CurrahAugust 22, 2008 1:28:32 AMRespond ^
Careful Joe, that smacks of common sense and American ideals.
Posted by:alexAugust 22, 2008 3:34:09 PMRespond ^
Alot of you are going to be so disappointed...he is the most centrist/moderate/conservative candidate the Dems have had since before Clinton...
Posted by:KDelphiAugust 23, 2008 2:20:51 PMRespond ^
Come on guys. Repeating Republican talking points to start an article? Why do we always shoot ourselves in the feet to spite our faces?
Posted by:ELAugust 23, 2008 6:23:05 PMRespond ^
Perhaps the critics should choke back the intellectual posturing until after he's had the opportunity to prove himself in an office I doubt any of you could perform more capably in.

The world is exponentially more complex and divided than it has ever been. The task of leadership in the current age is muddled virtually beyond any recognizable or coherent form. Your expectations and comparisons are not at all sensible - many of them so much so that they're hardly relevant. I seriously doubt LBJ or Lincoln would even know where to begin if they had to face the current tasks at hand. From as far as I can tell no one really does.

LP's Krishnamurti quote is spot on.
It doesn't matter who's in office if the only function you'll allow them to serve is as a scapegoat for your own insecurities, agendas, and pettiness.

No one can change what's wrong with the world until they change what's wrong with themselves (a task in itself only a very tiny percentage of people acknowledge let alone accomplish). Gauging from what I've read here there's quite a lot wrong with most of you - and plenty enough that needs work with me (insert your cheap shots here, your bits are grinding down).

Let's see what he's got.
Then let's see what kind of act can follow it. Will it be your own?
Posted by:JeffAugust 23, 2008 6:49:57 PMRespond ^
"THE OBAMA MOVEMENT"

That's from his campaign website and t-shirts.

Voter apathy is real.
Posted by:Liberal LarryAugust 24, 2008 3:16:04 AMRespond ^
"Alot of you are going to be so disappointed...he is the most centrist/moderate/conservative candidate the Dems have had since before Clinton..."

You are correct. However, if you're saying we SHOULDN'T be disappointed, you're dead wrong. The agenda you ascribe to Obama does not serve the best interests of the nation and its people. It serve the corporations. WE the PEOPLE want nationalized health care, a sane foreign policy, social and economic justice, fair interpretation of our laws, accountability of our public officials, and other such outlandish "liberal" ideas.

Obama has now picked Biden, aligning himself with a neer-do-well Senate lifer insider who runs his mouth. Biden claims the "populist" mantle on one hand while being in the pocket of the banking and credit card industry and punishing those victimized by predatory lending on the other.

Biden is the War Candidate. His foreign policy "expertise" seems to be that he has called Milosevic a war criminal, which ought to be painfully obvious. Of course, every senator who signed the Iraq War Resolution is a war criminal too, including Biden.

PFFFFfffft.

You've got nothing here to see, just more of the same crap that Americans have been putting up with for generations. Their government bends them over and sticks it to them on a regular basis while they wave the flag and proclaim "we're the best damn country that ever existed on the face of the ear